Saturday, November 04, 2006

The Malay Marriage Mess

3 Main Reasons Why Malay Couples Are Doomed From the Start

In my first year of secondary school, a teacher made a very racist comment that I will never forget. Stepping into class one morning, he asked:
“Boys, do you know what's the difference between a Chinese lady, an Indian lady and a Malay lady?”

The whole class looked at each other, puzzled beyond comprehension. What has this got to do with Geography? The teacher looked around for a minute or two, anticipating a glimpse of anyone who might put up his hand. But none did so he went on,

“Well boys, listen carefully. A Chinese lady, will not care if her man is handsome or does not have a good character. As long as he has money.

An Indian lady, will not care if her man is handsome or has no money. As long as he has good character.

A Malay lady, will not care if her man has no money or character. As long as he is handsome.”

In Victoria, the Malay student population then was comparatively small, especially so in my class. All four of us Malay boys looked at each other nervously after that short remark, shrugged it off and just got back to work. We didn't bother to protest because the teacher's known to skilfully repel any opposition to his words. He's after all, a grand old man of 65 at that time.

The teacher has since passed on. But his words linger in my mind to this very day. Not because they were extremely racist, but because till now I still wonder if there just might be some element of truth to what he said 13 years ago.

Could my teacher's short parable be the answer as to why so many of our Malay marriages are doomed right from the start? Well, I wouldn't know. I may be Malay but I'm no woman. Only they have the answer to that.

What I do know is that the Malay matrimonial scene is in a wreck. Percentage wise, we have the highest divorce rate here in Singapore – yet another notorious title. If you have four Malay wedding invitations on any given Sunday, you can be sure that one of them will end in a divorce. It is that bad.

So what is it that Malay couples are doing wrong that other races are getting right? Is it because of the lack of religion knowledge, like so many of these 'Ustazs' are claiming? If the answer lies in appreciating Islam, why then are non-Muslim couples fairing better than us?

The answer is more universal and less cryptic. Malay Marriage Mess is happening due to these 3 main reasons.

Standards Set By Malay Women

I will most probably come under heavy fire for this, but I will say it anyway. One of the reasons why our marriages fail is that most Malay women fall in love way too easily.

Although I would disagree with my late teacher about the “as-long-as-he's-handsome” part, I do admit that most Malay women will develop a liking for a guy as long as she finds him “nice”.

The process in which a Malay woman falls in love is noticeably less complicated than that of other races and is due mainly to our culture. Malays are generally brought up and trained to never look at a person's wealth or status as a measure of a man. We have been told since young that this is wrong and that a person should only be judged by how polite, religious and respectful he is towards his folks. That, according to our elders, is the key to happiness.

The cultural stigma remains till this very day. When a Malay girl brings home a guy to meet her parents, little is asked of his financial position and education. The focus will be on how religious or polite he is. It does not matter very much if the guy has been an academic failure all his life or does not hold a very stable career. As long as he is “nice”.

This criteria would have been fine for choosing a wife. But the fact is, a husband – leader and main breadwinner, has to be chosen with a more stringent criteria other than just being religious or “nice”. Too many families have collapsed because of economically dysfunctional husbands whose salaries cannot keep up with the changing times. Being “nice” will not pay the bills nor tuition for the kids 15 years down the road.

Be like the weaver bird. The reason why male weaver birds are such strong agile creatures is because the females of the species demand a lot from the males. Before a female would agree to mate, she will demand to look at the nest which he has built. If the nest is not up to her standard, she would simply fly off in search of another mating partner. As a result male weaver birds evolve strongly and are one of the most revered birds in the animal kingdom.

Similarly, Malay women must collectively set a much higher standard for their men. For when they do, the heat will be upon us to improve economically and socially. As a result, the entire community improves. It just takes that change of mindset.
But for now, plenty of Malay men are still slacking and taking their future very lightly. Why bother? They know they will be able to find a wife one day anyway. All you need to be is just “nice”.

Short Courting Period

The issue of Malays marrying early is not an alien one. It has received special mention by a very concerned Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew quite some time back. The concept is actually very simple – young couples are simply not equipped to handle a family. Everyone understands that.

But I would like to zoom in on the definition of “marrying early” from another perspective – courting period.

Malay couples generally make the decision to get married very early on into the relationship. Usually within a year of knowing each other, a commitment would have been made to start a family. I personally know of a friend whose gotten married to a man she's known for only eight months! Needless to say, that marriage is now on the rocks. I pray that they ride out the storm.

Once again, it's a cultural phenomenon. Malay elders frown on long courting periods and marriage is usually pressured upon once a man and woman is known to like each other. The derogatory term that they use for couples that have been long together without marrying is “pengantin basi” (stale newly-weds). Having a “pengantin basi” in the family is considered to be a social embarrassment and should be avoided.

I am a strong believer in the concept that a person's true colours can only be seen either after 12 months or after a major quarrel – whichever comes earlier. Before this period, not everything you see is what you will get as initial pretences will take a while to dismantle. There will probably never be any hard data to conclude this theory. But then again, life's most complicated concepts are usually built on none.

Malay couples must extend their courting time longer and get to know each other better before making that big decision. This is essential to avoiding any bad surprises long after the wedding drums have fell silence. After all, “differences in personality” is cited as the number one reason why Malay couples divorce. Perhaps they should have just waited that 12 months.

Financial Delinquency

I am not sure where it comes from, but it seems that more Malay women today are demanding that their men be driving cars.

Has it not occurred to them that everybody can drive a car today? It's just a matter of whether you want to or not ever since the $0 down payment rule was implemented. Any chap who can make the monthly payments will have the “luxury” of a vehicle in his hands – even someone who earns $800 a month sweeping the roads.

A car does not equate to being successful anymore. It just means that you are having a hefty debt . Unfortunately a lack of financial intelligence in the Malay community has given rise to misconceptions such as these. Middle class symbols such as cars, cards and fancy electronic goods are now a must-have to show people that you “have arrived”. Most cannot wait to pay for it in cash, taking huge loans in the process.

Needless to say, this financial attitude has given rise to a host of social problems within the Malay community. According to a recent statistic from MUIS, applicants for “zakat” (alms given by the public) this year has risen dramatically – most of them coming from young males in their twenties. How are males like these supposed to raise happy and contented families?

The matter of fact is simple. You marry someone who is financially delinquent, you will bear the consequences. You insist on a man who drives, you build a family saddled with debt right from the start. Remember well that “money problems” has been cited as the second leading cause of divorce amongst Malays. The awareness of financial delinquency is essential to keeping our Malay families happy.

I am glad to say that all my university friends, despite commanding the salaries that they have, are still sticking to public transport or using car sharing services like those offered by NTUC when a vehicle is needed. It is better to be flush with cash rather than one who drives but counts every penny like a pauper. Perhaps this is the attitude that we need to emulate. Else it could just make us another digit in the divorce statistics.

72 Comments:

At 12:46 PM , The Legal Janitor said...

Very thoughtful and perceptive commentary. Thank you.

 
At 4:24 PM , blokeman said...

That geog teacher... must be Achutan right? No one else fits the bill.

I agree somewhat with your points, but I'd like to add another.

Maturity.

From the little I know about Malay women, is that a lot of them are not mature in their views of love. They have a very idealised and romanticised idea of love in their heads and they cling to this. Most of people stop like after the souring of their first love, but Malays as a people seem to be unable to get over it. Love does not conquer all.

They say that language reflects the society that speaks it. Supposedly, the Inuits have a hundred words for snow. If this is true, then we're really one very emo people. My old Inggeris-Melayu kamus lists 4 words for love, 4 for sad, 4 for happy, 3 for angry and God knows how many other older words that aren't listed.

You can see this emo-emphasis on TV and a lot of Malay dramas. I've said it since VS, why is almost every Malay drama explicitly about love? It's not so bad if the love story is woven into the fabric of the larger story but it seems like in most Malay dramas, the whole driving point of the story is about love. It isn't as if there aren't a hundred others story archetypes that scriptwriters can't follow.

Anyway, it would be interesting to see what Fad's research would say.

Now I'm off to find my asbestos jacket.

 
At 10:04 PM , Anonymous said...

Dear Ridzwan,

I am a non-Malay Singaprean. It has been quite brave of you to confront, what you consider the causes of marital break down in the marriages of Singapore Malay.

I am not engaging you on the success or failure of marriages as I myself if trying to make mine work. But, I would like to suggest that you should not look at issues from a racial angle...

Generally, the points u mentioned could be valid. Even people of other races who share the same temperament or characteristic may also have high divorce rate. It is only Malay alone.

Ridzwan, the politicians in both Malaysia and Singapore like to examine issues from a racial angle and this resulted in racial politics. Worst, they will try to capitalise and make racial issues to benefit their own ends...

Lets comments on issues that concern our country and community. Lets not look from racial angle...

HindiChiniMelayuBhaiBhai

 
At 11:46 PM , Gerald said...

Very insightful and candid article! But doesn't your 3rd point contradict your 1st? If you say Malay women don't look at money, then why are they demanding cars and other middle class luxuries?

Personally I see nothing wrong with choosing a life partner based primarily on his/her character or having a short courting period per se. The problem -- and this applies to all races -- is that many women make poor judgments of character, e.g., they think he is a nice guy because he "makes me laugh" or "makes me feel special" when he is really just a sweet-talker and a bum.

I know of many couples who had short courting periods and are having wonderful marriages, while I have friends who were dating since JC days then got divorced. The key is judging a person properly before marrying him/her. It's important to get to know someone as a friend before the love bug bites, cos then you'll be too smitten to make a rational judgment.

Just my 2 cents. Btw, good blog! I'd like to add a your link to your blog on my blog, if you don't mind?

 
At 4:03 PM , Farmercee said...

Aiyo, i'm a chinese and i enjoyed reading this post cos i'm really new to the malay culture. but this article seems to suggest the malay females should carry the blame more than their male counterpart. then again, i may be female, but i'm not malay. will some malay girls give their take on this matter?

 
At 10:00 PM , Anonymous said...

After almost half a century of independence under a so-called "multi racial government", which advocates meritoracy and which provide a common educational policy to all Singaporeans....
It is sad to see a fellow Singaporean like Ridzwan continue to look at issues from racial angle...
Fellow young singaporeans, lets break away from the racial politics originagted by the colonial government, our own government and etc...
Why should we have Mendaki for the Malays, Sinda for Indians, and Chinaki for Chinese...
All who deserves help should be given help, regardless of race...
The shortcomings cited by Ridzwan also exist in other races...
If I happen to have a chance to meet with Ridzwan, I will see a Singaporean Ridzwan... I will not see him as a Malay, Indian or Chinese..
Lets celebrate our diversity, lets break out from the prison of race and religions..
IndiansMalaysChineseAreBrothers..

 
At 12:01 AM , Anonymous said...

bro...i tink u shud do sum research on Singapore Women's Charter Act..then u will noe how come the non-malays(non muslim) r not into divorce...they rather stay separately than file for a divorce...

 
At 12:13 AM , Anonymous said...

hello ridzwan

i really applaud this article of yours. we need more thinkers and writers like you in the malay community who are bold enough to confront issues like this.

i disagree with anonymous.

the fact that malays have the highest divroce rate shows that this is a MALAY problem unique to things that ppl of our culture do (im malay like u btw)

it will take someone daring enough to actually confront it.

too many in our world is too concern with being politically correct but ignore issue.

i say WELL DONE to you and keep it up!

 
At 2:00 AM , sparkplug said...

Here's a thought from a relative newly wed (4 years):

While the points raised make sense (even if I'm not completely in agreement that it has much to do with race) I would submit that the most important trait is the mutual commitment to work out the problems that inevitably arise...

 
At 11:56 AM , ero said...

excellent article! and useful insight to the specific problems in the malay culture that may be causing this problem.

our malays need more people like you instead of head-nodding leaders who do whatever their masters command ;)

 
At 11:58 AM , Anonymous said...

i dont think that points 1 and 3 are contradicting.

points 3 is about getting a husband who drives a car. as explained, driving a car does not mean having money today.

its just vanity.

 
At 2:50 PM , lil ms d said...

as a malaysian-female, while your points are pertinent, back in malaysia i think the breakdown of malay marriages is due to the fact that malay-malaysian men are infantile and egoistic. but yes, malay women in m'sia also allow themselves to behave in such a manner, because it's the malay way!

anyway, shouldnt it be that in the 21st century, marriage should be beyond race? i don't know about you, but i sure don't want to end up with a malay man. i'll end up in a nuthouse.

 
At 2:55 PM , Idlan said...

What about the Malay-Muslim mentality that a man can have four wives? For as long as a man believes he has a right to not one but four wives, it allows him to still be actively courting even when he is already married, ignoring totally the burden of having more than one wife as imposed by Islam. Surely this contributes just as much as financial issues?

Interestingly, such an attitude is rarely observed in Muslims of another race.

I know in Malaysia such post-marital affairs cause divorce rates. Or are Malay-Muslim men more monogamous in Singapore?

 
At 8:32 PM , Libertas said...

Dear mr Ridzwan,

Firstly, I must thank you for being one of the few enlightened Malay Individuals in Singapore who dare to speak on issues concerning our race. Because I am too! And I must emphasize that by doing so we are not merely commenting on issues from a "racial angle" but more for a yearning towards greater understanding of our (meaning us Malays) community's problems and how to go about solving them. When divorces among Malays are the highest as compared to other races in Singapore, how can we not look at it from a racial point of view. Again I emphasize that it is not to segregate or discrimate the Malays. What we so lack now in the Malay community is intellectual discursion on is problems facing the Malay community, not falling back on the instinctual aversion to all things racial or the idea that the Malays are hopelessly beyond help. I for one firmly believe that this is not so.

I agree with you on some points on the reasons for the "Malay Marriage Mess", but I would like to provide my own viewpoints on this issue. I'm not sure I do agree with you on the first point but I believe that Malay marriages do fail on account of unmet expectations of the institution of marriage itself and this is underpinned by what you said in your second and third point. As I had argued in my entry here,

"... Marriage is seen as an end in itself, that marriage is a solution to the problem of fornication or that marriage is a panacea that will solve all problems, especially to inculcate a sense of maturity and financial responsibility"

And I personally don't entirely buy the misogynistic view on Malay women because marriage is a decision jointly made between both the male and female (Even though you did mention that Malay men would also have to change like the "male weaver birds"). If the blame on marriage falls squarely on the women for the marriage then the divorce would be because of the men not being able to provide emotionally and financially for the wife.

Hope that you continue to write more insightful entries and that we engage in healthy discussions online!

 
At 9:29 PM , Mrs B said...

I think there is more than meets the eye to "successfull marriages" to other races as one commentator pointed out.

 
At 11:36 PM , Anonymous said...

ridzwan, u from which secondary sch? u looked so familiar.

 
At 11:50 AM , Idah said...

Ridzwan, interesting points you raised. While the points you raised may be true, are they really the integral factors causing the marriage to break down? Those factors are also prevalent in other races.
When we talk about 'money problems' as cited by divorced couples, are we looking at the wrong decisions made by women in choosing their life partners, or are we looking at the reason why so many of our men are not able to be financially independent?

Think about it. We may just be hitting the tip of an ice berg.

Oh btw, Hindi movies are all about love too.

 
At 12:35 PM , daddycool said...

It is good to see young malay men like you come out with think pieces such as these.

However I disagree with you on your point about malay women having low standards

I think they have NO STANDARDS.

What kind of women would marry an ITE grad? - malay women

What kind of women would marry some guy who came out from a malaysian / arabic university with a pathetic starting pay of $1000 + when other graduates are starting with $3000+ ? Why Malay women of course.

who else would marry men like these?

and when they have financial problems in the future, they start getting divorced.

This is a UNIQUELY MALAY PROBLEM. and we must solve it as a comminity. if the ppl here keep wanting to see things as a "singaporean" problem that there is no way out sorry. even the govt realise that the ethnic groups have diff problems of their own and set up mendaki sinda etc

malay women have NO STANDARDS and this must be realised very soon. perhaps your teacher is right about chinese women. why then do you think that their divorce rate is so low compared to us? becos they are practical!

 
At 12:41 PM , Norisha said...

Heylow!
I discovered this site by chance and may I just say that its rare to meet people like you. There's so many more issues that I hope you would explore and I could give my thoughts on.

As for this marriage issue; may I ask what are your thoughts on the trend of young Malay Muslim couples that get married because they have "terlanjur"? Of course on one hand there's the whole "tutup malu" tactic that's in play, yet many forget that a nikah while the woman is pregnant is not valid.

Personally I think an abortion is the lesser evil in such situations. Disclaimer: This is only a personal belief. I, in no way, am trying to start an upheaval causing mass abortions.

I guess, regardless of the highly destructive mindset that are prevalent in the society these days where marriage is concerned, the motivations for marriages has to be clear and solid for the marriage to last.

And a personal(almost) attack to Ridzwan, to list ways how Malay/Muslim men could change would open a whole new can of worms. Let's do that another time. (",) But come on, yeah we want a nice guy. But taking a leaf from your book, is it really entirely our faults if the dude "step baik"?

And to MY aunties and uncles, Marriage cannot be the goal of life. Its only a Sunat. The sins that I will make over the course of the marriage will so NOT compensate for that! Getting married to a random guy is not in any way better than being and "Andartu". I've a long list of real life examples, trust me on that one.

Norisha

 
At 1:40 PM , Ms Ro said...

Interesting comments Ridzwan. Personally I feel the biggest reason for the of crumbling of marriage of Muslim couple is Muslim MAN forgot the rationale why he got married in the first place ...it is not sex or proof of virility status but to start a Muslim UMMAH. Muslim man learn how to be like the Prophet (SAW), how he respected women but at the same time assertive(Quwwah)and be like Saiyidina Ali - he had only one wife (if I'm not wrong), the Prophet's daughter. Allah knows best.

 
At 6:31 PM , purperger said...

if malay ladies fall in love too easily, then shouldnt it be said too of malay guys? it takes two to tango doesnt it? or perhaps malay guys are too weak to protest marriage once the lovelorn malay lady proposes it? :P

i'm a malay lady about to end my singlehood and i would think that the malay divorce mess is due to the following:

- early marriage (cos the community still expects its young to marry early. "tak manis kalau asyik keluar aje tapi takde ikatan" ie "not nice to be seen to be always together if you dont have ties to each other")

- early marriage (cos the lady has gotten herself pregnant. which is attributed to the rampant casual sex thats happening among the young, non-malays included. the difference is, non-malays are inclined to abort, while malays are inclined to get married, once they find that they're with child)

- early marriage (impression of marriage for the young is a bit skewed. most of their thoughts would be on the wedding affair itself. the class i was in for the marriage prep course for instance was more interested in knowing which mak andam to engage rather than knowing the various personal/financial responsibilities that comes with being married. so i suppose they'll be in for a shock once the wedding dust has settled)

that said, there are probably proportionately more happily-married malay couples out there than there are happily-married non-malay couples (just an observation!). just bcos the marriage doesnt go thru a divorce doesnt mean it's a happy one.

 
At 10:11 PM , pasadonna said...

Your blog was very thought provoking. I went "ouch, ouch and ouch" on all your points.

I am a Malay woman who scored close to full marks on your reasons on why Malay marriages are doomed from the start. I married very young because my husband was a 'nice' man from a good religious family, we courted for a little less than year before we got married and he didn't even have a job then. Oh, and he had a car - a little beat up but at least it was fully paid for.

Yep, I was immature and probably had no standards. Family and friends thought it was a bad idea and none gave us a good prognosis. But I must be the exception to the rule as 25 years on and three children later we are still here for each other in every way imaginable.

Maybe it was because the car was fully paid for ...

 
At 6:52 PM , vainpot said...

Dear Ridzwan,

After reading this entry and comments by your readers, I pity myself, because I married an ITE grad, which equals to NO STANDARD. I married this ITE grad when he was earning $3000 a month. That's very low standard. This ITE grad runs his own IT business now, NO STANDARD at all! I married him because he was NICE and not as hot as Brad Pitt. Mediocre standard I set indeed. We courted for seven years before marriage. wooh! did i set a standard there? He had this old fully paid for 400cc bike which he used to the fullest to earn his living. Yeah, I fit the bill of those "malay girls who like guys on motorbike" NOT cars! Gosh! what was I thinking. I really have no standard. Tens years on, we still lust for each other and treat each other with respect. We are both lovers and friends. What's the standard again?

Although your entry is applaudable, it's too simplistic. From the points you cited, I think you are actually trying to tell the MALAY MEN something, right? Below are examples of real life couples I know.

Scenario 1
Married for many years. Husband is a successful businessman. And 5 kids later, the husband married his secretary. Reason being, first wife lack the libido. First wife raises 5 kids all by herself while husband jets around on business. Kids rarely get to meet their dad and when he is home, he's busy on the phone or sleeping.

Scenario 2
Married at a very young age. 11 kids later, wife lost her youth, figure and not to mention dead tired. Husband had a windfall, wife gets nothing much. Husband having some sort of a hanky-panky behind her back.

Scenario 3
Married for many years. Husband has many failed business ventures. Refuse to find work to help pay bills. Make daily visits to the coffee shop to discuss world issues. Refuse to help with housework while asthmatic wife is busy sewing baju kurung, and selling health care products to earn a living.

Scenario 4
Married for many years. 5 school going children. Husband been in and out of prison either due to petty crime or drug addiction. Wife supports the family solely.

Clear example of how low the standard the women set for themselves. Or is it? The ball is in your court, Mr Ridzwan.

 
At 12:13 AM , ZY said...

Pasadonna, well said!

Norisha, you may want to check your statement on the part where a nikah with a pregnant woman is not valid. I know there's this email going around saying this, but it is not true.

It is important to get our facts right and verified especially when it concerns Islamic rules. We do not want to confuse other pple in this healthy discussion.

I am getting married soon Insya-Allah. I have known the guy for almost a decade, he holds a stable job, and is financially independent. Does that mean the marriage will last then?

Ridzwan, there is too much stereotyping and generalising in your views. And the points are too simple and superficial to form the crux of such social problems which are definitely not simple by any measures to solve.

The good thing is, everyone is provoked by it (in a good way or another) and there is a healthy discussion going on.

Just make sure we have our facts right when we are talking abt Islam's rulings on marriage matters.

 
At 10:39 AM , fazrul said...

the "fact" that malays are getting married is a MYTH.

if we examine the mean age of the races getting married, there is not much difference. so i do not agree with the lady here saying that getting married early is the reason why.

please get your facts right.

although i may not agree with everything, i think ridzwan's article is the closest, most frank anylysis of this marriage problem.

i am just amazed how many ladies have come forward to say that its OK to marry a guy from ITE, madrasah or without a job.

some have even told stories (which we can never verify whether is true or not)

but one thing maybe its true, malay women do have low expectations.

 
At 9:21 PM , vainpot said...

dear fazrul

why is it not ok to marry guys from ITE or madrasah?? why are you sterotyping them like they are some kind of plague to avoid. some are fast learners, some are slow. the most important thing is most of these ITE grads upgrade themselves to have better lives. havent you heard of "life time of learning"? i just dont get it with some uni grads these days. just because they have graduated from some fancy sounding unis, they think they own the world and disregard other "lowly" educated creatures. what do the unis teach your guys these days? no compassion or sympathy? arent the strong supposed to help the weak? stop condemning ITE and madrasah grads pls!

the stories i told are true, they are all my aunts except one, who happens to be my dear mother.

so tell me, the malay women have low expectations or are some men too egoistic to step up to the challenge of leading the family the way the religion requires??

 
At 11:14 PM , Anonymous said...

fazrul,

you're partially right. The diff in the statistics between indians and malays are quite small. However, the difference for Chinese is significant. Going by the 2000 census, the mean age of marriage for indians and malays are 25.3 and 24.8 respectively. For Chinese it's 26.9. There is a difference, but it is not extremely significant, as you point out.

However, mean age is just one gauge. The census also found that a far larger proportion of Malays were married, across all educational qualifications. The singleness rates for Malay males who are below-sec and university are 10.5% and 8.2% respectively - for Chinese it's 18.3% vs 9.4%. It appears that Chinese women seem to exhibit a preference for higher-educated males - at least more than their malay peers.

While generalisation will always be contentious, I think it makes sense to say that culture does play a large role. Of course there are exceptions (hence the various stories that have been quoted) but it's obvious to me at our own views are also nurtured by the environment we are mostly in - and that is highly dependent on the racial group we belong to.

If the characteristics of that culture leads to some consequence - like how young unmarried Chinese girls may choose to abort their babies to prevent "loss of face" - then it would be silly for that particular community not to confront the issue head on. And who else to do it better than a member of that community - like Ridzwan? At least he has made a start. For those that say his generalisations are too simplistic - perhaps that is so. Offer something better then, because it is quite clear that there is a community issue here, right?

I've got another suggestion - positive role models. With a high divorce rate, and a higher rate of teenage delinquency, I think there is a self-reinforcing mechanism in play - children in broken families etc. etc.

Anyway, let me put another perspective on things. The discussion has focussed a lot on what is wrong with the Malay culture. How about looking at it from the other perspective. Is there anything positive about the Chinese or Indian culture that tend to keep marriages together? Do Chinese families offer more support mechanisms? Or is it just the fear of "losing face" that keeps families together? Perhaps the Malay community may want to consider this.

I would like to suggest to some people in this forum that being race-blind is foolish. Consider France, for example. The melting pot is not the way. We ought to be more like a fruitcake. Still all in one cake, but different flavours all round. Of course, there are some nuts, but well....

 
At 11:01 PM , Anonymous said...

Bungatanjung says:

Ooooo i very much AGREE to wat u say...i luv this blog entry of yours....

 
At 12:15 AM , Anonymous said...

I've been to your site several times but each time i wld be disheartened by your bias views on the malay community despite you being a malay yourself. If you are meerly pointing out the mistakes the malay community has been making, why didn't you suggest ways to improve on them instead. Are you convinced that the malays are destined to be the lesser race till the end of time?
It is extremely appalling the way you generalise things! Your points of contention are somewhat valid in a very generic way - it happens to all races. I do agree that Malay women easily fall in love but so do other races. If you watch the chinese drama serial isn't it all about forbidden love and about money!! What about the korean dramas which drag on about unrequited or "incestual" love. Hindi movies rile about obstacles in finding the perfect love match. So please do your research properly.

Some of the reason as to why the malays score higher in the failed marriage department is because the religion makes it compulsory to file a divorce as soon as it is expressed. But as we may already know, marriage and relationships are complicated matters. One day out of anger and impulsiveness you may spew the dreaded words "i divorce you" and the next day you may patch up. But for a malay, it is necessary for you to file it once its been proclaimed. But i've known an Indian friend of mine who has lived separately from her husband but ahs not filed for divorce for years. they are not required to do so until anyone of them want to remarry. so if 1 out of 3 such marriages do so, then of cos the race would have lower divorce rates.

Oh and why are you berating malay women? Is it all the fault of the women if she chooses to be blind to a man's financial stature and only hopes that his good nature could help secure the marriage?

To daddycool, you must have spoken out of experience. You must be some stinking rich man who;ve been jilted by a malay girl. Do you mean to say that ite grads and islamic grads do not deserve to get married? when girls marry rich old men, you say they are sluts. but when they overlook wealth for real love and sincerity you say they have no standards.

 
At 10:49 AM , Ikhwanul Mukminin said...

I do not agree that Ridzwan is berating the malay community like what anonymous said above.

In fact I think he is making us think and consider alternative solutions - as suggested in the article. I like the part on how he wants malay women to be more like the weaver bird.

I agree. I think our women nowadays are like peacocks instead of weaver birds. more attracted to display of looks, style and no substance.

Why are you so offended?

When he wants Malays to re-consider carefull a career in the music industry, so many ppl make comments about him and made fun of him. were you one of them?

look the article has given some solutions. if you do not agree with the solutions, rebutt here. or give some solutions on your on. i think we will all apprecaite it.

 
At 5:58 PM , Anonymous said...

ikhwanul mukminin,

Its not fair to only blame the women for many failed marriages. it takes two hands to clap, two ppl's commitment to make the marriage work. for someone single like ridzwan to make simplistic observations and put the blame on women alone is uncalled for. he is yet to understand the complexity and complication of matrimony. like someone mention, the men must step up to the challenge and make the necessary effort if the women are not.

it is not uncommon to see successful people doing badly in their marriage either. its all in the heart and mind, not just how much cash in the bank. yes, love dont feed you but neither does money brings you happiness all the time. money dont work alone, for without love, the marriage won't mean much.

 
At 11:30 PM , Anonymous said...

The problem with this community is that they call themself muslim. When come to marriage they are ignorant about lslamic marrige law.They never flow the advise from our belove rasul s.a.w. regarding choosing of life partner.
Muis must held campaign about Islamic marriage law awareness, instead of just concentrate on collecting zakat campaign all year round. Ignorant of the islamic marriage law is the root problem of the broken marriage in Malay community.

 
At 9:20 PM , Ridzwan A. Rahim said...

Hi there, namesake!

I came across your blog while ego-surfing the other day. Heh. :)

I am a Malaysian Malay. I'm 30 years old with three kids, and my own marriage is also coming apart, so this is a subject that is close to my heart.

Six years ago, I married a girl who was my classmate in primary school.

No, she wasn't my childhood sweetheart. We never spoke to each other in school. We only bumped into each other again during university days.

We had a fairly short courtship - two years.

I started going out with her immediately after I ended my relationship with another girl. So it was a relationship on the rebound. Not good.

Why I got married:

1. Perhaps part of the reason why I married her was because I was using her to get back at my ex. Evil.

2. She was overall a nice person. I really couldn't find anything to complain about her.

3. Parental support also played a big part. I never had to work so hard at managing my personal finances because my folks were more than happy to help with that part.

4. We were getting horny, so getting married seemed like the right thing to do. I mistook wanting to have sex with wanting to get married.

5. I was the undecissive type. I tend to go with the flow. I had difficulty saying no. It contributed to my undoing.

6. And lastly, I thought that's just what you do after you graduate. I thought marriage was a given in life. You know the drill: go to school, get a job, go on dates, get married, procreate and die.

Little did I realise that it's okay not to get married.

From these 6 points, it was clear that I wasn't ready to get married in the first place.

This manifested itself in a feeling of numbness in my marriage, and in flings with some of the females that I met in my line of work.

I also remember having a kind of anxious feeling every morning in the bathroom before going to work, that I was running out of time to do something but I couldn't tell what it was.

Finally, some time last year, I decided to come clean to my wife about my feelings and what I had been up to. It was a good decision. One good decision paved the way for another and now, after a year of soul-searching, we're staring at a divorce.

I've finally grown up and I really think this will be the best decision that I've made for myself.

Generally, 30 is about a nice age that a man may get married. Because before that, you probably don't know yourself and you don't know the person you're marrying.

 
At 12:49 PM , Saleha said...

Ridzwan, I applaud you for your excellent article. Whilst the points may be seen as a generalisation to some, they are valid and there will always be exceptions.

I would like to add another reason towards the "marriage mess" ie. upbringing and parental guidance. If parents impart good values to their chn and teach them certain expectatons in life, perhaps the young Malay ladies might improve their criteria of marital partners and make better choices.

If one were to follow proper Islamic teachings with regards to marriage, there should really be less of a problem. Even putting religion aside, if basic values such as having responsiblities towards one's spouse and chn, having respect for one another, having patience and working out problems (whether domestic, financial or whatever) together, should be inculated in the home as the chn grow up.

It would be interesting to find out among those young couples getting married, what is their perception of "Marriage". Is it just to legalise fornication or "the right thing to do", or because parents and friends expect it of them. Some would say it's love. Do they know that at some time that type of love flies out of the window and the harsh realities of building a home and bringing up chn comes in?

Once chn come along, the couple's responsibility is even greater. Many stay together for the sake of the chn. Medical studies have shown that quite definitely chn suffer when parents break up.

BTW an imam told me that in Islam there is no such thing as "courtship".

 
At 5:48 PM , Anonymous said...

An honest Malay like Ridzwan is a good Malay

 
At 5:46 PM , Miss Lala said...

Ridzwan,I think you write very well and very true.it seems that the Hang Jebat in you is in the rise.But it is most unfortunate that the ones reading this are not the group that actually caused the problem.Unless they are aware, the problems would go on and on and on till the upcoming generation.

 
At 1:02 PM , Anonymous said...

Dear Ridzwan and fellow Singaporeans:

In my earlier mail, I signed of as HindiChiniMelahyuBhaiBhai (Indians, Chinese and Malay are brothers), I meant it and seriously committed to it.

You meant well when you first initiated a discussion on the high divorce rate among a certain community of Singapore. However, take a racial angle to look at this issue is wrong, seriously wrong. This will bring us down the road of the colonialist and also the present governments of both side of the causeway.

Those in authority also divide us (Singaporeans or Malaysians). By doing so, it is easier to manipulate support and votes. For example, why must we have Medaki, Sinda and CDAC (or some called it Chinaki) to help their respective race. Why cant a Singapore Malay help his fellow Singaporeans of other ethnic origins? I am ready to accept a Malay PM, Indian PM or Eurasian or Chinese PM as long as he has the majority votes of all Singaporeans.

Look at the various comments you have in this forum, the writers' view are very much like the Malaysian UMNO, MCA kind of quarrel..

All fellow Singaporeans, we must break down from this racial mindset imposed on his; only then we will become a true Singaporean in this island.

Yours sincerely friend,
HINDICHINIMELAYUBHAIBHAIU

 
At 9:51 PM , jd said...

Hi Ridzwan,

I was from VS too and i think we all had some racist jokes here and there but at the end of the day. i think the different ethnicities probably mixed around more than any other school and i am proud of that.

Im currently in NUS, and im currently taking a malay studies module. Im disappointed that the mood of discussions is still very much restrained. Blogs like yours that drag the ugly hypothesis out for debate is good. Because only by confronting differences, then we can learn to accept them, and move on. Otherwise, we dont have racial harmony, only racial tolerance. And tolerance might not stand the test of all the crazy things happening around the world.

I do agree that, it is to a certain extent, a racial problem that has to be zoomed in and tackled effectively. We as a society really need to confront issues openly and solve them and move on to a better world. Are we ready? Sadly, i dont think so.

 
At 10:45 AM , Anonymous said...

JP says:

Dear Mr. Ridzwan. I luv your blog entry on this topic.

My personal thot is that generally we malays have always been pathetic. So much so that even when it cums to choosing husbands for our daughters, we keep prefering men who're 'baik, beribadah' but w/o solid $$ background.

No matter how socalled 'modern'/'educated' we've beum, we always end up worrying too much abt stupid things like stupid people talking abt how our daughters and sons jalan dua-duaan w/o chaperone, & end up getting the couple married w/o their full preparation for marriage, JUST SO "people wont talk".

We always & probably FOREVER WILL be in denial that "our religion's got sumtin to do wth it". When a 'talak' is expressed by a husband, it must be quickly 'reported' wth the relevant court. As opposed to ppl of other religion who dont have this talak thing & they can live 2gether cohabitat w/o ppl knowing that they've actually divorced. On the otehr hand OUR (Malay) divorced couples hav 2 live separately & their divorce wud quickly be noted on the Statistics board FOR ALL TO SEE.

To be continued.

 
At 10:53 AM , Anonymous said...

JP says:

Continued from previous comment:

Hmm i just relaised that i ws probably repeating much of wat u and some other ppl have said.

Ok actually i basically AGREE wth much of your blog entry on this topic. I really applaud u for brining this up. It's sumtin i belive A LOT of ppl esp malays want to say but ARE AFRAID say.

The only 'discrepency' or rather /disagreement' i have abt some of ur view is abt how u seem to imply that Malay women macam taktau pilih suami.

Are u aware that many of us Malay women want those Malay guys who have HIGHER THAN ITE cert, earning MORE THAN 1K++; basically successful Malay guys?

Cuma the problem is, it's THOSE MALAY GUYS that dont want us. Their crappy reasons for that include "Nonmalay gals are more 'openminded'" and "Malay gals have no vision, they just want our money."

Perhaps such Malay guys are unaware that we Malay women know that those reasons of theirs are RIDICULOUS. Do they really tink that their nonmalay gfs wud want them in the first place if they are ITE grads, earning a meagre salary, etc?

To continue in my 3rd comment.

 
At 11:07 AM , Anonymous said...

JP says:

Continued fr my 3rd comment:
Macamlah kita ni tak tahu yg some malay guys out there just wan gfs who are 'fun'. Eg they feel that the nonmalay gals are "less conservative and more fun".

Hmm oops NOW I realised i may have gotten a bit offpoint. Actually my comments are more relevant to your writing on "Standards Set by Malay Women". Basically it's important 2 know that it's not just abt standards set by malay women but also REACTIONS BY MALAY MEN. Kalau lelaki2 Melayu yg successful asik mengada2 sangat, taknak kawin dgn pompuan Melayu, sebaliknya kawin dgn pompuan bukan Melayu, then OF COURSE the only malay guys 'left' are the 'loser malay guys'.

Eg highflying Uni malay grad marries nonmalay gal instead of malay gal. So wats left are the average to below average malay guys (eg ite/sec grad or any nonunigrad earning 1k & below), then they marry they the malay women.

Kalau si pompuan melayu tu punya gaji tinggi, takpa jugak, tapi kalau dia punya gaji pun rendah, akhirnya jadi keluarga welfare. Whathehell?

Continue in my 5th comment.

 
At 11:13 AM , Anonymous said...

JP says:

Continue fr my 4th comment:

Of course we can also say that if the're not enuf malay guys anymore, the malay gals can look for other race guys.

And more importantly, look for SUCCESSFUL nonmalay guys. But soemtimes we forget that a hindrance factor may be that even if the nonmalay guys want 2 marry our malay gal, is he willing to first convert to islam? Lainlah kalau that malay gal is nonmuslim wic is a rare occasion. Eventually the nonmalay guy may not want to marry her. Then she'll end up in Square One: Sucessful Malay guys dont want her cos she's "not fun/openminded" enuf (though she may be as successful as he is), sucessful nonmalay guys dont want her cos they dont want to convert, and the remaining guys are 'nice', 'religious', etc, but very lacking in the finance dept.

The malay women's fault meh???

 
At 5:03 PM , athena said...

Hi Ridzwan,

I have to agree with you on the getting married too early and the short courtship period. I should know, I am one of them.

I got married when I was 18 after 8 months of courtship. I have issues back home and marrying was the way out of my so called "misery".

When I looked back, I think it was silly of me. No doubt what I went thru was just as real and being young doesn't necessarily means what I went thru is only traumatic to me but if only I hadn't looked at marriage as the way out to the abuse I had back home, I wouldn't be divorced now or I'll probably wldn't be married at all to begin with and probably be on my way paving a nice career for myself.

I know other people who marry early, not all are failures but there are too many marriage breakdowns to refer to the success stories and say that marrying young is OK.

Teenage marriage or just simply marrying when you are not ready in every sense of the word, is definitely a BAD idea.

These days, I think I handle relationships better. Yes, I do wish to see myself in a marriage again but I must find the right person.

And that's where the whole thing about expectations comes in. Realising I didn't expect anything from my previous man, I'm telling myself these days that I am worth alot and alot has to be done before I submit to a man.

I want to be wooed, I want to feel what I'm worth and I want to see that nothing is spared when it comes to my happiness.

And that's the headache. Men, I'm not saying just Malay men but maybe most men, think this mentality of mine as being too demanding. They tend to say that we can work towards the happiness, towards building a Life together but that's just that, talk,say,words, no action.

When you want them to act upon what they say, they'll tell you that you are putting them on a spot.

I'm beginning to think that the men I meet these days are those who are still stuck in their boyhood. Boys trap in a grown up body.

In order for men to be able to buck up and start meeting expectations, I think they have to grow up first.

If not, it'll just be another lost cause.

 
At 1:25 AM , Readymade said...

Looking at the comments so far, I wonder if there might be strong pressure within the Malay community for early marriages. Is there community-wide disapproval of longer boy-girl relationships?

(Yes, I know some parents may want their children to marry early, but in general what is the situation like?)

While there are examples of early marriages that work, that does not mean that early marriages are good for the community *as a whole*. This does not only impact divorce rates, but other things like early pregnancies.

 
At 8:45 PM , Anonymous said...

hahahhaa


bukan lelaki melayu nak mengada2 tapi it's ture..sometimes these malay women really lasck vision and far stretch thinking. They think life life is living in a lala land.

but of course for me, it changes if i ever come across, which has been on few occasions, a nice educated and open minded malay girl. even so, chances are they might have some backward thinking lke at a certain age , once a malay regardless of sex reaches the age of 20 and slowly beyond, the word MARRIAGE MUST COME TO MIND. Like as though the work "kahwin" sudah tercap di dahi.

Zoroukah

 
At 8:56 PM , Anonymous said...

from Zoroukah again,

and ok, maybe a little shift towards the centre, into the crux of the issue.

as said, the word marriage must come to mind when we reach a certain age. if not from jurassic era makciks and pakciks, it will be from some museum minded malay peers of the youthful age. Just look at the mat mat motor around the ppular 24hrs eateries. Chances are, most would have just step into the working world or still in the minute career zone but evidently wil be talking abt tunangs and kahwins and how grand and fairy tale like they want it to be. Of course such visible packages comes together with the sultry thick lipstick minahs who at all glances, u r dead sure the meaning of marriage to them simply means living together without hassle and nothing beyond.

Talk to them about continuing studies and you'll get responses of "belajar buak apa siak", "buang masa siak" and all the negative siaks .

Do you know why a lot of malay youths has this simple common mindset of signing on in the uniform service? As a malay i can attest 2 things. One, as a malay, being in a uniform career in the low-mid level hierachy does'nt require much thinking and creativity to enhance the career cocktail. Second, th bounty that is being offered during or before or even after the tenure of the contract sets them thinking, wihtout much far reaching thoughts though, that it would be 5 digit (wow !) cash payout enough for a little self sufficient expnditure but most importantly, the cost of tunang and nikah.


talk about nikah, look at the current market rate these collosal makciks and pakciks are asking for their daughter. whn u pay 5 digit figure, you expect valu for money but hey, sometimes you wonder where else would that value be form these minahs, the other crust of the marriage mess problem. Maybe in a true distinct fashion, such makciks and pakciks who demand high dowries should produce a detailed resume of their daughter for all to judge if it's worth the money. hahaha

kidding but true.

 
At 12:52 AM , Anonymous said...

Marriage Mess

Opponents of polygamy in Muslim-majority Malaysia said Thursday they will spearhead a rare survey to prove their claims that the practice throws families into emotional and economic turmoil.

Researchers hope to interview 6,000 members of polygamous households over the next 10 months in what could be the most comprehensive survey ever conducted on polygamy in a Muslim society, said Zainah Anwar, director of Sisters In Islam, a Malaysian women's rights group.

"We need evidence-based material to strengthen our advocacy for awareness and reforms, rather than merely use stories or assumptions about polygamy," Zainah told a news conference.

Islam allows a man up to four wives. But the practice of polygamy has sparked debate in Malaysia, where nearly 60 percent of the nation's 26 million people are Muslim, because activists say some polygamous husbands neglect their responsibilities to wives and children.

Government statistics recorded 13,516 polygamous marriages between 1995 and 2004, representing 1.4 percent of all Muslim marriages, said Norani Othman, a sociologist at the National University of Malaysia involved in the survey project.
However, activists believe the true number is higher because many men fail to report their second or third marriages in order to keep them a secret from their primary families. There is no official estimate of the total current number of polygamous marriages.
The upcoming survey is significant because existing research on Muslim polygamy in other countries has only scrutinized a small number of respondents and focused on legal issues. As such, there has been a failure to understand the financial and social impact of polygamy, Norani said.

Sisters In Islam's researchers plan to ask polygamous families a wide range of questions, including how their expenditure for clothes and other necessities is affected when the man marries another wife, and whether existing wives and children are forced to make financial sacrifices.

The survey would cover everyday dilemmas — including how husbands divide their time among multiple wives, celebrate holidays and choose which wife to take to social functions — and would consider whether current laws sufficiently safeguard wives from mistreatment in polygamy cases.
Sisters in Islam are aiming to publish their findings in early 2008.

A pilot study by Sisters in Islam in 2005 involving 40 members of polygamous households revealed that some children suffer emotional problems as a direct consequence of the practice, causing them to take up alcohol and smoking, Norani said.
Activists say the upcoming survey's results will be submitted to the government to help formulate Muslim family development policies and improve legal protection for wives.

Polygamy is illegal for Malaysia's non-Muslim minorities, who are mainly Buddhists, Christians and Hindus.

 
At 1:05 AM , Anonymous said...

Hello

 
At 6:20 PM , Anonymous said...

I just want to share my plight and see who could offer me some advice. i think I going crazy. We married after a wonderful year courtship and five years into the marriage I bore him three lovely children. I’m now pregnant with my fourth. I’m a clerk and he’s a technician. Things change so quickly. I know he now finds me less attractive after several childbirths. He stays out late and on most weekends he would go to Batam (for games he say). I tried confronting him but he threatens me with the talaq and even taking on a second wife. I’m too scared to be abandoned. he leaves me with $500 a month these days to fend for my children. My pay is barely enough to cover the high expenses of the entire family.

 
At 1:01 PM , marina said...

Your post stereotypes all Malays. This shows how narrow-minded you are. I am a Malay and none of those things you write are true for me. Maybe you are one of them too, but pls don't think everyone is like you, your friends, or the people YOU have heard of. The world is larger than your head.

 
At 12:19 PM , Anonymous said...

I wouldn’t want to jump into any conclusion. However, have you tried roping in your in-laws to help resolve the problem? Sometimes it helps. I can empatise with you as I myself am a divorcee. If there’s any consolation, this is not a Singapore problem as such but a regional one as well. Generally, when men have a few more dollars in their pocket they tend to grow tired of their wives and look for younger and newer ones. By the way, I’m heartened that SM Goh and his delegation are now in Morocco to see how its progressive Islamic Family Laws can be applied in the Singapore context. Cheer up!

 
At 3:43 AM , Anonymous said...

I agree to all u have said...I'm a husband,still a husband to my wife,a beautiful wife with a beautiful daughter. we have known abt 3 yrs when we got married.Now its more than 4 yrs since we r married.All goes well until my wife switch job to a retail assistant at a very famous surf branded shop.She recently got to know tis guy,a local soccer player coz he came to the shop and come again regularly to know my wife.At first she just told him off.After tat i think she gave in coz he had everything..career,car and money.She tot she just wanna make frens.All tis without my knowledge.Later when she got the guilty feeling..she told him tats shes married.He backed off breaking the frenship.When she compare me just a normal technician to him..it made her told him tat we are on e process of a divorce and not living together.I dun noe why she did tat coz..all tis time i treated her well..yes i dun earn much but everything is enough..not so much luxury but enough.Tat guy tot tat he may still got a chance and continue the relationship.It happen last month when i caught a car sending her home.I confronted her.All she said tat nite was she has kept a feeling tat she do not noe how to tell me.I told her just to talk it out since things had happen.She told me tat she no longer feel the love she once had with me and felt tat she couldnt live wif me anymore.My questions are:

1: what had made her love for me dies down?
2: izzit becoz after she knew the guy?
3: the different standard she tot btween me and him?

Now the situation is like,shes already filed for divorce at the syariah court, we are waiting for e first appointment anytime next week.Until now i havent find the answers...Shes willing to sacrifice me..our daughter..for a dream which noone knows will come true.All i know is tat she and the guy no longer keeping in touch since i contact him and told him tat we are still married and the divorce is still not in process.For now I just leave it to Allah for the future....

 
At 11:48 AM , Anonymous said...

You had started the article using the 'racist' joke u heard. I dont know if ure married now, or even thinking of getting married, or perhaps wont even got married, but my one point is simply;

Every marriage; regardless of whatever race, has its own background, own reason own everything that we dont know abt; and they will face their own fated challenges that we may not know about.

For every bad marriage you know about, there'll be 100 other harmonious marriage that you dont.

 
At 10:07 AM , Samy said...

Looking at the situation from outside, I believe the challenge for the Malays, espeially the wives, is much greater than the other races, given that multiple marriages and easy divorce (three talaqs) are perogatives of the men and usually sanctioned by law.

 
At 1:40 PM , Malay Mother said...

I like how you think.

Why do the Malay woman fall in love too easily?

It is because the Malay father does not give much attention to the Malay daughter once the daughter hits puberty. The Malay father may feel that being close to the daughter is inappropriate behaviour.

Research has shown that girls who are close to their fathers will be less likely to be promiscuous.

So all Malay men, take note. Take care of your daughters well and remain close to them.

 
At 1:00 PM , Anonymous said...

Hi Ridzwan...
Nice topic about the mess
and more mess coming soon in the future....

But too bad, i dont believe the word or race of Malay exist.

The Malay / Melayu means run-away or escapee..

Its just the mix blood of other ethnic groups to form Malay.
e.g. Arabs+Indian+Chinese+Aryan+++

Genealogy of Sultan is mix-up itself...

Since the mix-blood running in the 'Malay' people, maybe that is why they never have the correct judgement about marriages.

BlueMarlin

 
At 8:48 PM , A Malay Woman & Proud Of It said...

Dear all

Summary: It's not easy being a woman. From this blog I confirm, it's soooo not easy to be a Malay woman.

If we end up with a rich ang-moh, then we are labelled SPG. Some of us get lucky and find a good Muslim man whos rich. Some of us dunt.

Basically its all abt timing, luck and a bit of common sense.

Oh well. What am I saying. This could be why I am still single.

I dont noe which is better. To be choosy and risk being single for a lifetime. Or, get married and risk getting a divorce.

 
At 10:07 PM , Tanweer Hussain said...

A really good and intertesting article.Its about time someone wakes up the malay muslim community here and thank God you made the first step.I totally agree with all of your comments...Good work.

 
At 12:13 AM , YANNI said...

well i know this post is back in 2006 but it is still so fresh to me..

here are our views to your "nice" judgements - :)


TO READ MORE

YANNI

 
At 7:11 PM , Ziela said...

Hi. I am a Malay female, married. I knew my husband for 4 years before we got married. Now, we have 3 children; 7, 4 and 3 years of age. My husband is not Malay but I have in my life dated many Malay men. I consider myself an educated and straight forward person. When i was dating Malay men, they found me too forward, too bold, too frank...basically i was not the type that the Malay men would like to bring home to their families. I always spoke my mind and that was frowned upon.
It is not only the Malay women that make the mistakes of choosing the wrong partners but it is also the Malay men. Malay men wants 'pompuan jambu' so that they would be idolised by their mates. And since these men have bigger egos than brains, they would definitely not choose a partner that has higher education than them. They want their 'women' to listen to them, be obedient and not have opinions. The 'jambu' girlfriend becomes more of a fashion accessory.
It is strange that most Malay marriages do not work out with all this kursus rumahtangga and all that you have to take before you get married. My husband and i managed to not take this kursus. We got away with it. We decided to live together first before we jump the gun. We thought it was best. It is definitely not the Muslim way but it helped us to get to know each other better. We have known each other for 12 years now and we have no regrets doing what we did. We knew it was frowned upon by the Malay society.
Well, I think it was very brave of you to have your opinions out. Syabas!

 
At 8:24 PM , Anonymous said...

hmm..i kinda read dis exact article sumwer else before..

*thinkin*

 
At 12:13 PM , Anonymous said...

TO;
daddycool & also Mr Ridzwan

Quoted-
"...However I disagree with you on your point about malay women having low standards

I think they have NO STANDARDS.

What kind of women would marry an ITE grad? - malay women

What kind of women would marry some guy who came out from a malaysian / arabic university with a pathetic starting pay of $1000 + when other graduates are starting with $3000+ ? Why Malay women of course.

who else would marry men like these?" -Unquoted

We are all inclined to judge ourselves by our ideals; others, by their acts and in world history, those who have helped to build the same culture are not necessarily of one race, and those of the same race have not all participated in one culture.

 
At 12:05 AM , Anonymous said...

Good wake up call.You can become the next Mahathir.Kudos

 
At 1:42 PM , Anonymous said...

Dear Ridzwan,

I can't figure why are you full of anger with Malay women. Is it because they would'nt pick you or maybe you did not intend to marry a malay women? Or maybe you would prefer our malay womens to cling into 1 rich man? As a malay or individuals, since you're aware of the divorce ratings in Singapore, you should have tried to help to overcome this problem such as becoming a counsellor / social worker instead of critizing the malay women which i think its berdosa (sinful) and what do you think other race might think of the Malay women?? Maybe you did'nt think of this. Perhaps you should blame on the Malay man as to why they did not have high salary or high education... To put this simple, I totally dissagree on whatever you've said... "Macam mana Melayu nak maju kalau orang macam u nak menjatuhkan bangsa sendiri??" To think that you've telling people of how bad Malay women are... shame on you.

 
At 6:40 PM , mas said...

i was surfing the net when i chanced upon your blog..this is a very intersting post i must say..
but,i personally feel that most of the issues that have been raised are really simply generalisations.

well,you can blame women for the failed marriages.how abt the other party?the males?i'm still schooling(jc) and i see a trend of malay guys gg out with chinese,or would i rather say non-malay girls.there's really nth wrong with tht but if u see the big pic,if all the better-educated guys are gg out with the non-malays,what would happen to the malay girls??we're left with those kind of malay guys..if you know what i mean.esp for those who are like me(i don't like non-malay guys),who are we left with?no wonder our marriages nvr seem to last..
sometimes,i feel really sad cause the better-educated malays just can't seem to see anything good abt malay girls.they'd rather go out with non-malay girls..

 
At 11:19 PM , Anonymous said...

The Menteri Besar of Kelantan, and spiritual leader, Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat made an off the cuff comment with regards to the use of force by the police on Mar 7. Essentially he said that the public cannot blame the police if they are forced to resort to such measures. While his comment leaves room for ethical debate, his subtantiation for his argument however, leaves a bad taste in the mouth, to say the least.

He argued that "Islam itself permits a father to hit a child, a husband to hit a wife in certain situations. This is practiced throughout the world.”

 
At 2:13 PM , Anonymous said...

this guy acts like he knows too much
i pray to God that he will fall in love with a woman that likes him for his "looks" only
maybe in the future he will look back at his article and wonder what the heck was he babbling about
to the rest of the netizens go get a life : some ppl are just shallow and it happens to all races
dun be stupid
go and work on your own character and realationships instead of wasting time commenting like this

 
At 2:31 PM , Anonymous said...

well mr ridzwan it is a nice article i must say..but im sorry but i dont agree with your facts..its true that most malay women will go for a good looking guy..but NOT all of them..I think that you should realise that one day..you yourself might marry with a malay women..so what i can tell you is think twice before posting an article..

 
At 1:25 PM , Anonymous said...

u noe, i guess in all marriages be it indian. chinese or malay.the most important key to success is communication.both male and female, should listen to one another and shouldnt keep secrets from one another.well, sometimes the truth will hurt, but if it saves your marriage, isnt it worth it? so communicate and dun avoid problems n leave them hanging.

 
At 3:03 PM , Anonymous said...

The anonymous on top me is nothing but bunch of loser.

Hey stupid he has the right to express his opinion who are you guys to criticise him? I pray that you would die early.

 
At 1:17 PM , Anonymous said...

Some guys are slower, some guys are faster...it doesn't matter, GOD made us all different. Some of us have money, some of us don't, same thing. But what makes men THE MAN, is his determination and strength( and i don't mean arnold's bicep strength) to go through the odds and be a better person for his loved ones. His family and his lover. The man works hard for this dear ones, thats how it works, that how GOD made men to be. THats why women have the uterus and men have the shoulder muscles: TO carve, pick, wield, farm, type to find that earnings to feed the family and teach them the right stuff. That to me, is the true measure of the man.

 
At 4:36 PM , Anonymous said...

"ome guys are slower, some guys are faster...it doesn't matter, GOD made us all different."
Bullshit

 

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